Let me explain who they are People Aad, and they are said to be called Aad by the name of their father, an extinct Arab tribe mentioned in the Qur'an . This bears enough similarity to the description of the Thamd dwellings in theQurn to induce certain authors to claim that they are the houses of the Thamd. The Nabateans who made the carvings in Madain Saleh and Petra, as well as other Arab groups like the Dedanites/Lihyanites, are their successors. So nothing availed them [from] what they used to earn. Akkadians Four generations is only about eighty years and its unlikely, in my humble opinion, that they were able to establish a new socieity, invent a new religion, and forget all about their ancestors the Aad in such a short time. Certain objections can and may arise with the above narrative. Or there fallen down relics were better than yours in the past but not better now. I am also writing an text on this that I inshaAllah will put up online. However, now none may be visible and what is visible now are those made centuries later. So they concluded that the Nabateans did constructed them. And this advancement led to a stratified society of haves and have nots. Now we dont see the remains of Nuhs AS people now do we? Again the burden of proof is on us that this was the case. Five Syriac inscriptions mentioning Arabs have been found at Sumatar Harabesi, one of which dates to the 2nd century CE. Furthermore, there is also proof that they had some elements of true Islam in their faith. Yes, the Thamd denied their Lordso away with the Thamd! Both. Had the Prophet () thought that the rock carved structures in al-Hijr were those of Thamd, he would have pointed them out. Though one could argue that they knew of Salih and hence Allah could hold them responsible, but this is speculation. [27:49]. The absence of evidence here is no evidence of absence. In sura 15, there seems to be a chronological order: At first the story of Adam (as) is mentioned (26-50), then the story of Abraham (as) and Lot (as) (51-77), then the story of the people of al-Rass,i.e. Thus, there was a latter 'Ad as well, whom some exegetes considered the people of Thamud. So, basically during the time of the Prophet (), their remains were not on the surface and only some of them were visible. The pagan Arabs were acquainted with their existence but nothing more is known about them. He who had faith said (to Pharaoh and his company): O my people, I fear for you the likes of the day of the confederates, the likes of the fate of the people of Noah, Ad, and Thamud and those after them. Like does 89:9 mean what thamud used too do like example pharoh killed people on stakes or does it mean what they have done like example the pyramids. They mistreated the lower classes and worshiped others besides Allah. And perhaps, over the generations, these people developed their own magnificent society with its own special hallmarks and characteristics. Of course, only Allah knows the truth. Have not read their own bibles. However, as the Christians have proposed an objection to the notion of any other people carving structures in hills and mountains prior to the Nabateans, this leaves the Christians with the following options: (1). Well, next to nothing. We are in grave doubt about what you are asking us to do." From about the 2nd century BCE, a few inscriptions from Qaryat al-Faw reveal a dialect no longer considered proto-Arabic, but pre-classical Arabic. Allah doesnt need you. Will you forbid us to worship what our fathers worshiped? [28] A large Arab migration to Mesopotamia followed the Muslim conquest of Mesopotamia in 634, which saw an increase in the culture and ideals of the Bedouins in the region. As their material wealth increased so, too, did their evil ways while their virtue decreased. The Quran states regarding them: , And to the Thamud [We sent] their brother Salih. But the inscriptions in Lihyanite script and some recently discovered archaeological vestiges are evidence for human settlementas early as the 3rd or 2nd century BCE. what enemy, ever so warlike and powerful, will venture to invade my land, or besiege me in my strong hold? But the Thamud were more nuanced in their rejection. Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. [7] Today, all these areas are located in the Arab world with the exception of Khuzestan. There is no special connection between these scripts and the tribe of Thamud. They were Giants and so powerful. As for option 2, we know next to nothing about the Thamud. And you said the nabteons built over them so if they built over them all then how could the prophet see them or the quran describe them when they were built over by them and by the time the prophet came because the nabateans came before jazzakkallah, But these are the last 5 questions and thats it sorry to keep bothering you it is that Im getting all the information I can so if Im ever questioned then I can answer them jazzakkallah, Sorry just 2 more but thats it most of these questions are yes or no 3. Archaeological Site of Al-Hijr (Madin Slih), Forty Hadith al-Nawawi in English and Arabic, Al-Aqidah al-Tahawiyyah in English and Arabic, Forty Hadith on Purification of the Heart. Obadiah 1:3 Among such nations were the 'Ad and the Thamud, the Amalekites and the Himyar after them, the Tubbas, and the other South Arabian rulers (Adhwa). In sum, missionaries and polemicists contrive an accusation against the Quran by obscuring, deliberately or not, the meaning of Thamud in the Quran and its relationship to the complex array of archaeological sites in Arabia. While certain online Christian communities are abuzz with elation and glee, some Muslims are faced with difficulties in formulating a proper response to the latest Christian accusation. These Thamud built gigantic castles, hundreds of feet high, and they literally carved them right into the sides of mountains. As for their dates, I do not know and it is not necessary that they would have to be very close to each other. Later still, we find them mentioned by Ptolemy (d. 168AD), in his Geography.6. The Edomites were proud of their wealth and riches, which they had by robberies amassed together; and of their military skill and courage, and of their friends and allies; and especially of their fortresses and fastnesses, both natural and artificial; and therefore thought themselves secure, and that no enemy could come at them to hurt them, and this deceived them: thou that dwellest in the clefts of the rock; According to the Online Corpus of the Inscriptions of Ancient North Arabia (OCIANA) at the University of Oxford: Thamudic is a name invented by nineteenth-century scholars for large numbers of inscriptions in ANA alphabets which have not yet been properly studied. After the destruction of the Ad, the tribe of Thamud succeeded them in power and glory. Its not an easy read, especially as most of the stories leave the reader perplexed in terms of their relevancy to ones personal life or attainment of anything didactic that enriches or nurtures a relationship with God. We have no firm textual evidence as to where they went, but their pattern of rock carving survived for millennia among their successors in the area such as the Nabateans, the Dedanites, the Lihyanites who supplanted the Dedanites in Dedan in the last century BCE and 1st century CE and others. The Nabataeans were nomadic Arabs who moved into territory vacated by the Edomites Semites who settled the region centuries before them. . [23] The ninth-century Muslim scholar Ibn Sad believed that the Thamud were the Nabateans. This is not but from the customs of the former peoples and we will not be punished.Chapter 26, Verses 136-136. During the time of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), the Quraish would debate with him and ask him all sorts of questions. But certainly, there is some potential that something like this may have happened. [15], But despite the presence of a tribe called the Thamud as late as the fourth century, sixth-century Arab poets whose works are preserved in post-Islamic sources were already referring to the Thamud as an ancient and long-lost tribe whose very name recalled the transience of all things. The account presented in Surah an-Naml also mentions nine evil people of Thamud who are immediately responsible for God's punishment of their people[Quran27:4851] in a narrative reminiscent of Jewish descriptions of the demise of Sodom. When Allah sent their brother Salih (AS) to advise them of the true faith, they rejected him just like the Aad had rejected Hud before. This is the temple that was built by the tribal unit of Thamd, the leaders of their unit, so that it might be established by their hands and be their place of veneration forever with the support of Antistius Adventus, the governor. The people of Noah, when they denied the Messengers, We drowned them and made them a sign for people We have prepared for wrongdoers a painful punishment and Ad, Thamud, the companions of the well, and many generations between them. As I mentioned in our discussion on your post regarding Gog and Magog, I was very interested to read your reply to the missionary accusation regarding Thamud, because the argument seems to be rather recent and it seems to at least on its surface have good argumentation and hence we as Muslims must develop countermeasures. Ignore the entire thing and continue to spread their deception and lies. Some of these questions were sincere, but most of the time they were just trying to trip him up. Syed Suleman Nadvi discusses this in Tarikh Ard al-Quran vol.2. But as well see below, archaeological and literary records place them firmly in Northern Arabia/Jordan, well after the death of Jesus (33 AD). Hud was from among the Aad himself, as Allah mentions in the Quran: Aad denied the Messengers when their brother Hud said to them: Will you not fear Allah?Chapter 26, Verses 124 125. The Aad and the Thamud are two nations mentioned several times in the Quran. God sent Salih to warn them, then after they ignored him and murdered a she-camel that God sent, He killed them and left only Salih and those who followed him alive. And Ad and Thamud as has been made clear from their dwellings. you who live in the clefts of the rocks, According to the Islamic tradition, the Thamd were warned by the prophet li to worship Allh, but the Thamd stubbornly refused and as a result were annihilated either by a thunderbolt or by an earthquake. Or symbolic its talking about the left more of a legacy in there story. The sentence, This structure is not only large enough and a couple more contained links. Trudy Ring, Noelle Watson, Paul Schellinger. They were scientists and technicians and craftsmen, so they wanted conclusive proof. Updates? . [Qur'an . Question:What is the correct explanation for the P --* _ . What the visitor sees there today are hewn hills; no mansions remain on the plain. [22], A poem attributed to Umayya ibn Abi--alt, a Meccan contemporary of Muhammad who refused to accept Islam, contains a reference to the camel and Thamud. The Nabataean alphabet was adopted by Arabs to the south, and evolved into modern Arabic script around the 4th century. Id hate to be the one to rain on the holy Christian parade, but this inanity has to be responded to. Do you construct on every elevation a sign amusing yourselves? But the shriek seized them at early morning. Routledge. It does not state, however, who made the inscriptions. An envoy was sent to the nations to say, (sorry for all the writting just answer the atharan bit and the 7 things I just wrote Down it doesnt matter about that long paragraph in the middle), Or bonus it just means they were better in building houses on past witch you cant see anymore like effects in 30:50, Any thoughts Bro sorry to keep bothering you with this, Aoa (LogOut/ Only Allah knows if this scenario really happened. 5. Required fields are marked *. al-Hijr, the second most important centre of the Nabataean empire, is the title of the 15th chapter of the Quran. Such an amazing thing was supposed to be their sign. How do we explain 27:52 29:38 22:45 28:58 91:14, Assalam alie kum, it is a good attempt to answer the criticism of the of the people who have always found some crookedness to stand their point against Islam. Doesnt matter if they were destroyed before or after Ibn Kathir and the land is not in Yemen. Like some of the tombs have window openings and some of the niches are not much more wide than a hand, which hardly can serve as a resting place for a human body. [12] The temple inscriptions (in Ancient Greek and Nabataean Aramaic) state that it was constructed by a priest named dt of the "Thamd of Robath" for lh, apparently the patron deity of the tribe, with the Roman government's support. [27], This article is about the ancient Arabian tribe. Secondly, the Ayaat are not only meant for the Sahaba, they are also for us and for all times and so when the Quran asks the readers to look at what happened to those before, it is meant for us as well. Since I dont have my own blog currently, I will post it here, in case it helps anyone. They were elites. The Thamud did not worship God, and were disobedient. 'Ad and Thamud are closely connected by both Islamic and pre-Islamic sources. Their responses, while snarky, were fairly simple. Prior to the Muslim conquest of Egypt, Egypt was under Greek and Roman influence. The Bible Al does not make anything past or present or future. their country was called Arabia Petraea, the rocky; and their metropolis Petra, the rock: Jerom says that they that inhabited the southern part of the country and dwelt in caves cut out of the rock, to screen them from the heat of the sun: or, thou that dwellest in the circumferences of the rock F16; round about it, on the top of it, in a tower built there, as Kimchi and Ben Melech. Though no one knows for sure when either of these groups existed, it is clear from the Quran that the Aad were successors to the people of Noah. Nothing but solid rock underlies the rest of the facades. It may very well be that during the time of the prophet, certain structures were still apparent to them that are now hidden due to natural occurrences, such as earthquakes, accretion of sand and erosion with time. The Qurn saysand remember how he made you succeedd and lodged you in the land. . The earliest Arab tribes emerged from Bedouins. He sent Prophet Hud (AS) to the Aad, and Prophet Salih (AS) to the Thamud. Most of the monuments and inscriptions of the archaeological site of Al-Hijr date from the 1st century BCE and the 1st century CE. Several broken columns in the ruins of Wadi Ramm have been interpreted as the lofty pillars associated with Iram in the Quran. Similarly, much later, Thamud were wiped out and their remains were taken over by Midianites of which we see the pictures and they constructed over them as per their methods. Not only did they reject them, they mocked, ridiculed, and in the case of Salih (AS) they even tried to kill him. There are countless artists, pundits, and celebrities who mock Allah, His Messenger (pbuh), and Islam. The Ghassanids, Lakhmids and Kindites were the last major migration of pre-Islamic Arabs out of Yemen to the north. And 'Ad and Thamud (people)! This also makes it clear that the people were punished. Assalamualaikum thnx for the link. Theres no real reason to mention them lastly, except they came after al-Rass and they are also included in this chronological order as well. JazakAllah. Al-ijr, Saudi Arabia: ancient Thamd house, This article was most recently revised and updated by. 2. Or is that verse just saying what they used to do in the vally [4] This entire passage has been sent by Sharif. After all, camels were and still are pretty common in that part of the world. Saudi Arabia, in terms of archaeology, is really untouched. But the fact that they spitefully killed an animal that had done them no harm and for no good reason is proof and a sign of their evil. But before we get to that, lets analyze their responses. In the Nabataean period, several impressive facades were carved into the hills outside al-Hijr, between the 1st century BC and 1st century AD. It describes what they used to do i.e. Whereas the people who did cravings in al-Hijr were Nabateans. Rather, it tells us to look at the region in which Thamud had existed as well as the many generations after them. And they were also well-built because they still exist today. And indeed we do, but with an unexpected twist! The people led wealthy excessive lives, built grand buildings, both on the plains, and carved into the hills. Its almost impossible to know for certain that the many tombs with Nabatean inscriptions are indeed constructed by them, especially when we know that only 15% of the area in Petra has been excavated and examined. But as a sign of their wickedness, they killed her. They are the idumeans( Edomites), Prophet Abraham pbuh was a Chaldean who had, People of uz autocorrect sucks sometimes, The quran pretty unambiguously says that the people of Nuh were a globalised civilization, so your timing seems a bit off, Your email address will not be published. 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