Proof target through the builder/load development with this round produced a .19MOA 3 shot group. They're not so easy on the wallet, but they are crazy easy to find an accurate load with, usually under 20 rounds and you're at least under MOA, if you follow their loading procedure. I agree with the last paragraph above. I used these out of a 338 Norma imp. The shot left a pretty clean 1' hole after hitting the near-side shoulder. Philippians 4.20 "To our God and Father be glory for ever and ever. Custom load development for rifles with Hammer Bullets Each round loaded within 1/10th of a grain powder charge Includes data for long range shooting Allows you to get the best performance from your rifle. Great bullet so long as your rifle barrel meets the recommended twist rate. How does 3600-3700fps from a 20" hunting rifle sound? It is a great killing combo. In a lot of rifles its hard to get .020" off the lands and still fit in the magazine. We just returned from South Africa and the performance of these bullets in her rifle was spectacular. Avg group size is .486" @ 3,165 fps out of a budget grade factory 6.5 creedmoor. Barrel twist is 1:16, not 1:7 as stated earlier. Check for updates and measurements regularly. Loaded these in 338-06 at 2750 using RL15. Angling away, the bullet shed 3 petals, destroyed the liver, hot the spine, and shattered 7 vertebrae before lodging inside the spine. George L Taylor Im betting that I could get to, or even surpass 30 grains of powder, but well see. Thanks, Roberts Greenaway At 75 yards both bullets in the same hole . Mark Westbrook Very easy to load for like any Hammer bullet I have used, just seat them .010 off lands start low and work up on powder charge and you will have it. (verified owner) November 27, 2022. These bullets are slightly more pricey than most but pay for themselves and then some. Tested several hunting bullets at varying velocities in my 6.5 PRC. Should bring a lot of opinions. Iv took whitetail over 500 yds with it. Important to me as o have a family of six I'm getting old and I love accurate rifles. 29.2gr / 2727fps, stdDev 1.5fps, 1.25grp 44 gr 6.5 StaBall I had never tried the Absolute Hammer line of bullets I ordered a box and talked with some fellow Hammer shooters on facebook. stubing 335 powder is really nice in this cartridge. Perfect bullet for my needs. Shock Hammer Absolute Hammer If you do not see something you desire on our web site, email us and we shall take care of your customized order. 12% OFF Bullets. If the rifle is not liking what is going on we generally switch the powder. Very easy load development. All others expanded perfectly and did exceptionally damaged before exiting. Try LT-30, LT-32, or Benchmark! Ordered up these for my .350 legend. Varget, cci200 primers Lapua brass, sized with fl die and .289 bushing and crimped into first groove up front with lee die. Plan to use for turkey and predators. Hammers are super easy to work up a load for usually about 10 rounds and your done, not to mention 1/4 moa accuracy I get with them. I have used them successfully on three roe, two fallow and two sika deer. Bryan Florkevich I got groups I could cover with a dime. 1,044. 1/2 in groups at 3021 and crunch deer! Also, these bullets are extremely accurate in my .338 Lapua. Work up your loads slowly. In 20+mph winds this bullet did amazing when I did my job. There is an extensive spreadsheet for Absolute Hammer Load Data developed and shared by members on this Forum. Brian Dirks Very pleased. Auction Information Name: Old Forbes Road Online Auction: Auctioneer: Mishler Auction Service. With this new sponsorship, the 7mm 184gr F-Open Hybrid Target Bullet was created. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. I have only shot 6 animals so far and none of them liked it! Federal match small primer I have shot one mature whitetail buck at 400 yds with this load through my Bergara 300 PRC so far. Ship to: 11284 MT Hwy 83 Bigfork, MT 59911 Specifications: Had 4 exit holes on the opposite side. Bullet Casting Supplies. You've gained a long term customer. Also run it in a 22/284 at 3900 fps. I recovered a petal under the skin on the inner part of the far side leg. I just started reloading for my 444 CVA scout rifle . HH work perfectly. Ive never enjoyed shooting that big gun this much. Great bullet. I will not buy another bullet other than hammer hunter for my 300 WSM and I can't wait to see how these perform on an Elk this year. The top group measures 0.19 MOA, the bottom 0.23 MOA and both out of a 100% factory original rifle, which is 20 plus years old and has fired > 1500 rounds. Also, its my understanding they are great about giving help on the phone too. 70HH Rocks. Reloading Dies. Still need to chrono what's coming out of the tube. With a bit of load development, theyre shooting sub 1/4 moa at 100 yds. mathew.watkins I rested the rifle for a couple of minutes and took a POA at the bottom of the inner diamond and did the same thing. Only meat loss was a small portion of one back strap. First 5 rounds with 54.5gr of H4831SC yielded 2850fps with plenty of room to go hotter. Found a load development under half moa. I couldnt ask for better customer service. Very pleased with Hammer. Its not going to kill you to take a little extra time to work a load up, but it could kill you if you dont. Data for Hammer Hunters is on the Hammertime Forum, but it has not been placed. If your only shooting out to 400 yds than the BC isnt a huge concern. This bullet line is designed to feed through the magazine of factory rifles while still retaining the bearing surface of the bullet forward of the neck. Rem. On top of that they kill clean and DONT damage meat. With very little to go on I started out on the very bottom of the weight scale . I haven't shot anything except wood yet, but that showed excellent penetration. However, my old Sako proved more problematic, which I put down to the 1:11 twist rate and long throat. I played with them a while and came up with a great load. Loaded a pressure ladder with Varget, backed off a touch, sighted in a went hunting. Alan Ratliff December 16, 2021, The bullet worked perfect. So far this year Alaska Dall Sheep 808 yards! Absolutely devastating on coyotes: multiple exit fragments. Mar 21, 2021 #7 M mtmuley Well-known member Joined Jan 11, 2009 Messages No pressure signs and the velocity was right where I figured I should be. Most accurate non-lead bullet I have ever used by far! All these were 1-1/2 to 2 + groups. I cut 10% for a starting load and did a charge ladder from 36 to 42 grains. The entry hole was 7mm and the exit was about 1" The buck made it 30 yards tops. I now have a load that matches the SS Patron 197.5 grain FMJ load of WWII in an appropriate hunting bullet. Dallas Hardaway The second doe came broadside at 235 and went 15 yards after a hitting her behind the shoulder. I don't have a chrony, so all I have is the load data from Nosler. That second deviation number is not a typo, it is 1.5 FPS! These shoot sub moa out of my Ridgeline 300 Win Mag like right at .50. Michael Wilczynski They fall more in line with conventional loading data and are very forgiving. With a very compressed load of 3031, I can get 2500 fps, and 1 moa groups. I shot out to 540 inside 6 and they hit hard for a 90 gr bullet!! (verified owner) March 22, 2022, Used it with 44.0 gr of Hunter and got over 2800 fps. Ill start with these: Looking for 7mm Rem Mag data with the 146hh. Upper hams on both sides were a mess. Although they may just shoot very accurate without having to mess with them. Will keep loading these and also having a 28 Nosler custom made for lighter carry and will use the .284 bullets for that new rifle. Moved to 78.5 which shot a .24 group at 100yds. What's not to love. JavaScript is disabled. One thing i've noticed with loading hammers is you need newer/softer brass (I.e. With this rifle and a 22'' barrel the 85g Hammer Hunter is traveling 3500fps with 49g of Varget, the group is .8 at a 100yards and will continue with a Steve was great about calling me back to give me a starting point. thomascjohnston52 Darin Draper Sometimes we will swap to another primer. The heart had a hilariously huge X through it, almost rending it in two. I settled for 2975 fps for good accuracy and plenty of energy. Sorry I dont have the FPS yet. The Hammer Hunter line is our long range or high bc line of bullets. Very impressed so far. Always start low and work up! COAL: 3.643" As a resident of CA, were faced with having to shoot non tox bullets. 6.5 CM 1:8 twist 22 inch barrel and no pressure signs. I'm having a hard time finding load data though. Typically I run 90 SMKs for PRS stuff, but when I needed a truly hunting style bullet, I was blessed to come across these gems. FORLOH AllClima Softshell and AllClima Stretch Woven Pant Review. Well lets just say since discovering Hammer bullets, they are now my out of state loads as well, where lead is allowed. FPS 3265. I took a [large for East TN] 10-point whitetail at 120 yards with this load. Hammer Bullets are custom turned on a CNC lathe, using only the highest-quality solid copper appropriate for the desired result. October 28, 2022. These shoot great in my 6.8 western. DRT. I messed with the 152 hammers in another .300 over RL22 and was seeing some velocities over 3400 pretty easy. I don't think its significant out to 500, but if you plan to push the outer edges of effective range (hammers are designed to perform down to 1800 fps) then it is certainly something to consider. I just ordered some more, and some 308s for my TC Contender 30/30. Can't say enough good things about the performance of these projectiles or the awesome folks at Hammer Bullets that I've spoken with on the phonethey are A+++++ in all categories! Will work more on load development next spring. I get 3 shot groups much smaller than the palm of my hand at 600 yards. Automatically applied at checkout valid 12/1-12/31. Just click this button and the coupon will show. I can use to look at . You are using an out of date browser. Have your own review to share? October 1, 2022, very accurate bullet out of my custom 257 Weatherby mag has a Brux 7 1/2 twist barrel, 28 inch barrel , velocity average is 3680 FPS , i mounted a 5.5 -22 x56 Nightforce on this rifle and Harris bi-pod too . No recoil or pressure sighs. 40.5 of Varget works wonders also. My X bolt took two whitetails last fall with this. Was planning on using 115DTACs or 107 Sierras but after seeing how well the 143gr Hammer Hunters performed in my 7-06 Ackley I thought I would try 88gr Hammer Hunters and it was a good move. Environmental conditions can drastically impact firearms, powders, and primers. I will share my load data with the forum soon. I am impressed! Hit one rib, recovered bullet in the hide. May 28, 2020 #4 JLS Well-known member Joined Mar 26, 2012 Messages 17,365 Location HH. Nonetheless, if I had just asked about how to fix the loose necks instead of trying to experiment around it, I would have had this awesome load developed in 10-15 shots. Very impressive performance. Made my first loads out of my .284 win with the 143 hammer hunter. CCI BR-4 primers Thanks Hammer, you always seem to have what I need, when I need it. Accuracy was great and 6 animals taken last year. Also noticed with Hammer bullets there is not enough copper to bother with in the barrel. I thought I'd give it one last try first, and wow! No pressure signs at all. Wishing you all a Merry Christmas with . Which was a really good thing when the elk herd posted up in the field at 300 yards. Only one rib hit on the off side. I have not had any luck with load development that works in either rifle. Lower recoil, super accurate and a vapor trail. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Hammered a small CA buck @ 78 yards away, full pass through just behind shoulder bone broadside shot. They have worked great on game also. I'm at 47.3gr of 6.5 StaBall out of my 6.5 CM. I don't think its significant out to 500, but if you plan to push the outer edges of effective range (hammers are designed to perform down to 1800 fps) then it is certainly something to consider. I have used Barnes for 9 years all moose took altleast 3 rounds to drop and sometimes more Thank you Hammer for this fantastic bullet. These bullets are absolutely worth it. They seemed to shoot ok from an off-hand position at 25 yards, so I loaded up the rest for my class. Check out photos submitted by Hammer fans and submit yours. I had issues with my AR15 350 legend cycling commercial ammo. I purchased a box of 50 Hammers. Id love to attach pictures. And so far they really smash game. My Savage loves it I'm getting 3270 fps from a 22 inch barrel. But you used load data for the 139gr Hornady Interlock. Got these shooting a .4 moa group at 3,010 fps with my fierce 7mm rem mag and I couldnt ask for anything more! Then 50 yards later to my surprise she falls over. Long. 100 Count Hammer .355cal. (verified owner) February 3, 2021. The first time I used absolute hammers in my 300wm, I pulled a load straight out of the nosler book for 165g bullets (hammers are 166). Cant wait for antilope season in Wyoming. We can quickly produce virtually any custom caliber and grain your rifle can support. Messages. Good October 28, 2021, These bullets are the real deal. They are expensive but do shoot really well. Companies may update components such as powders, internal case capacity, and primers. Im using V N120 . LIL Gun 29.5grs Overview and welcome information about loading Hammer Bullets. Norma's 6.5mm Diamond Line HPBT Bullets are moly coated hollow points designed to extend the lifetime of your barrel. .02" @ 100 yds. So much fun on coyotes, and antalope in Colorado. The great guys at Hammer said to try the 200gr ShockHammers. The only down side was the significant wound channel if you hit bone. Lots Currently Listed. Grouped like it had eyes ! Iv shot some 2in groups at 600 yds with it in my 22/284! The 6x7 bull stumbled and fell 5 seconds later without a second shot. Lungs were basically liquified, hollow point broke into 3 petals; one exited with the shank and two petals got slowed down by shoulder muscle landing just over the opposite side skin. Devastating performance. Bullet exited right shoulder. Then we took a good look down the barrel and noticed all the damage to the rifling. This was due to a high shot and he was finished off with a second. I have other rifles for him to test in the future. Velocity is beyond comparison. We have our go to loads. Hammer bullet, on gel, 700 yards, just over 1900 fps, still shed it's pedals. First hog that has been mounted in years due to its size and color. The new Absolute Hammer 123's are my new favorite as of May 2021. Tried this bullet in my 7 STW and all I can say is wow. Christopher Wambeke 6.5mm Diamond Line HPBT Bullets are fabricated with glided metal jackets and bonded cores to ensure the bullet performs with every shot. Monday at 12:18 PM #23 Guy Miner Master Loader Apr 6, 2006 16,896 2,361 xphunter said: Gerald DILGARD What more can you ask for from an all copper hunting bullet? These cavernous hollow points are designed to expand upon contact with a fluid-based medium through hydraulic energy. Anyone using this coupon that is not a veteran, is a turd. My son used the 270Win load this year and found success. The max size allowed is : 4 MB. on elk. Load development has been very easy and my early load testing using virgin Lapua brass has not produced groups any larger than 3/4 MOA regardless of charge weight. Work up from a listed start load and find some pressure, and usually the load is done. Really thinking hard about selling my 300 win buying an 06 and shooting the 166 absolutes as an all around kill everything inside 500 yard gun. Loaded cases then received a full Lee factory crimp to prevent jump under recoil. Hammer bullets have really impressed me for target shooting and hunting ,son and i will be using these Hammer 103 gr 25 caliber bullets in our our Ruger #1 custom 257 Weatherbys this 2022 for a nicer buck up at the border in Northern Minnesota in November, matter fact just ordered some 22 caliber 70 grain bullets for my 10 year old grandson`s 2022 deer season this year because he is small and skinny he will be using a little AR-15 223/556 with those Hammer bullet also. I played with these in my wife's youth model Rem 700. We found this bullet in the off side against the humorous. Hammer bullets are the most consistent bullets I've ever sent down range. All load/component data will be shared so that the load can be duplicated. They definitely did not disappoint I was able to get 3/4" moa at 100yrd first time out. I run this one up to 4100fps in a 22/250, 4200fps in a 22 creed. This goes right in the same hole for me and when I checked the speed, it keeps coming out at 3200 pretty much on the nose. Click here to remove banner ads from this forum. First year taking an elk in Wyoming, took a cow at 490 yards hitting behind the right shoulder, hitting the heart and exiting through the ribs. Developing a load for my rifle was quick, the Hammer bullets are some of the easiest bullets to find loads for. While loads are compressed using H4895 and Reloader 15, LE is denser, more packable. With a regular LRP. I get a typical single entry on chest shots and five exist holes in a cluster about the size of a large orange. Looking forward to testing more loads. Impact velocity ~2700fps. Lost some cube steak there. When I field dressed her I saw where I hit the liver and the shank exited, but when the petals expanded they hit both lungs and the back side of the heart. The Shock Hammers are our line of bullets that we designed for normal range hunting, where bc is inconsequential. OAL 2.240 Stu, Wesley Turner I loaded these for my 257 WTBY and had them pushing right around 3900 fps. I'm impressed and won't be switching any time soon. Precise and durable. Very well impressed. Trying to find load for 20 inch barrel with suppressor . (verified owner) May 18, 2021. Justin Youngblood mixitup210 One MOA accuracy Wow was i surprised. Loaded them with RL23 at 3050fps. Hammer Bullets is not responsible for your load process, equipment, and choices. Provide the list of components that you will be sending to Hammer Bullets for your custom load development. Killed a blacktail buck at 225 yards last fall. 1000 yards is a walk in the park. There are quite a few acceptable powders for the bullet weight. Please dont skip steps. There is no hype on this website, they perform as advertised. I have been a lifetime shooter of another brand of all copper bullets, but I decided to give the 124gr 6.5mm bullets a try out of my new 6.5prc. With varget, magnum primers, hornady brass, and magazine length this combination has shot <0.5 MOA at 200 and 530 yds and has killed 4 groundhogs dead in their tracks. I did a very simple load using the 143 grain hammer hunter. I have not had the opportunity to use the 6.5 PRC/124 Grain Hammer Hunter combination on any elk sized game but would not hesitate to do so should the occasion arise. Easiest load up of a bullet compared to other manufacturers. I won the final competition at 1000 yards and shot better than I ever imagined at 600+ yards. of 41.7 of Varget under a 99 Hammer Hunter at oal of 2.680. I didn't like that load is it would explode on impact on deer and hogs with no to little penetration. Shot out to 400 yds than the palm of my 6.5 PRC and.289 bushing and crimped into groove... 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