Effectively, this money allows them to support themselves but not wallow in shallow materialism, and gives them access to capital. This was something that was done a lot and to good effect in the past. Maybe spend more time with their kids. For automation to cause long run structural unemployment, the new technology needs not only to destroy jobs and create no new jobs, but it also needs to somehow prevent reallocation of workers to other sectors of the economy. It's very reasonable to think that just like the welfare state, a UBI would continually increase in cost. As for children: Most (if not all) proposals for basic income have it start at 18, which would make having children as an "investment" be a bad idea. And heck...even if a person didn't have a creative passion they would probably do something else. Some will end up ahead relative to today, some will pay more, but it's never as drastic as the tax hike alone. That's a dangerous attitude.

By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. Yes. I am sure that when the majority of jobs left behind are variations of brute force employing people to perform whatever human skills remain in the gaps between what's cheaper to do with automation you will renege on your concepts of moral dignity and goodness "for the soul". This is why I support basic income being paid weekly. The number of successful podcasters, YouTube personalities etc is very limited and on the order of thousands in the world. We could have done it ten years ago or longer. 12 is really a non-issue, as the same people squander their money now. Going from service jobs to social jobs. Note that people who are not making money are (sometimes) still creating some sort of value. Most recently, the Roosevelt Institute claimed that switching to a UBI system could actually grow the economy by $2.5 trillion by the year 2025. We will never have purely unlimited resources, even if we have robots doing most of our jobs. 4.)

Help me to help them : if I can help them to understand why they are not comfortable with the idea, it will help me to chose the best angle to convince them. If we give children some from of benefit, won't that result in "baby farms" to reap benefits? Press J to jump to the feed. 2.Ensure more widely accessible and flexible education for all to prepare for jobs of the future, 4.Ensure that the benefits of automation are broadly shared. A basic income guarantee would radically simplify the welfare state, and truly ensure that no one has to live in poverty. They are compelled to give it to anyone, otherwise it is no longer universal. "They'll just spend it on drugs/alcohol." With basic income no additional money is introduced to the economy, it is just distributed differently. The biggest argument against UBI is that it's unnecessary and expensive. You have to pay for it, and the spending freed up by eliminating welfare doesn't cover much of a basic income. Is this a problem? Further, giving people a workable financial situation is often all they need to escape dependency. Prior to the industrial revolution 90% of all jobs revolved around agriculture, now only a little more than 4% do. So saying that UBI pays you not to work is like communism is a comparison that starts off on the wrong foot. Now whether we can overcome potential endgame scenarios of the universe fundamentally, I'm not sure. Automation is not happening that quickly and its far more difficult then most people realize (I kind of want to make a separate post about this). When structural unemployment is high enough, you want something better (though UBI might still form the basis). The price of very low-end goods and services will rise somewhat. It's hard to pay for it. The person you're talking to, like most Americans, doesn't know what Communism is. They have had to compete for resources, and within human society we have deemed that the price for getting resources is that you have to provide resources in return. At the same time it'd afford more people the opportunity to think about what matters in life and how to sustain one's happiness. Simple math prevents a living wage with our current tax and GDP levels: Here is my napkin math from 2013 census and cbpp.org. 2.) You don't get to open a business and try to make a profit.With UBI you have private property, same as always... And, a mechanism that might actually empower you to start your own business since you have some time to breath and expend energy on projects other than working from 9 to 5. If you're advocating a comfortable lifestyle level UBI, this is harder to answer. Personally I think about 30 hours is a great work week. Anyways, thank you for writing this post. Funding is hard because of tax evasion of the rich, even if we remove loopholes. I'd love for everyone to work as little as they want. Economists reason that (IN VERY BASIC TERMS) when production becomes more efficient in the form of automated technology, businesses can supply more, and therefore demand will also fall, leading to a dip in prices and increase in consumer spending in other industries and markets that will see employment increase. We see a lot of UBI related posts in this sub, and I'd like to know if there are people legitimately against it and why. A stay-at-home parent creates decent social value, but doesn't quite get payed for that. I'm then talking families who have all they need (which UBI would provide). If one country has UBI and taxes the rich 1% to pay for it, then the rich would logically flee to countries without UBI. Consider, it leaves the people who still live in cities facing less competition for the use of housing, infrastructure and services. Calling people who'd be on UBI freeloaders makes about as much sense as calling children freeloaders because they get fed. Just think of how many people you know in your life who are amazingly skilled or talented at something but can't/don't hone it because they have to go to work and verify some excel sheet full of numbers or make sure that this big red button gets pushed.

Basic income spending would probably need to be pegged to some other measure. I honestly think we'd have an explosion of creativity if we suddenly found ourselves with countless millions of people pursuing their passions. 2.)
If UBI is implemented while there is still work to be done to get us to a point where UBI makes sense, then we could torpedo our economy. I am an advocate for BI, but this is not a good way to establish foundations for belief. So it's a good economic solution, but not a good solution to viral humanism.

Automation historically doesn't disrupt employment. The second argument is how to deal with children. It wasn't all that long ago that debtor's prison was a great place to put troublesome people. Of course there are also arguments that it will dramatically spike inflation, as demand skyrockets. It's an unavoidable truth. If you are concerned with the wealthy leaving, don't be. If it can be done without noticeably increasing bureaucracy, giving young workers a larger share than non workers to use as they please would encourage work habits among the young.

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